Sounds like some people I know in this country

[Dave1965]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... &ATTR=News

A SKIVING couple told last night how they claim £17,680 a year in benefits — and don’t even bother looking for work because it would leave them worse off. Danny Creamer, 21, and Gina Allan, 18, spend each day watching their 47in flatscreen TV and smoking 40 cigarettes between them in their comfy two-bedroom flat. It is all funded by the taxpayer, yet the couple say they deserve sympathy because they are “trapped”. They even claim they are entitled to their generous handouts because their hard-working parents have been paying tax for years.

The couple, who have a four-month-old daughter Tullulah-Rose, say they can’t go out to work as they could not survive on less than their £1,473-a-month benefits. The pair left school with no qualifications, and say there is no point looking for jobs because they will never be able to earn as much as they get in handouts. Gina admits: “We could easily get a job but why would we want to work — we would be worse off.” Danny’s father, 46, even offered him a job with his bowling alley servicing company — but could not pay him enough. Danny’s mum, 45, works as a carer, while Gina’s mum, 46, is a teacher and her dad, 53, is a manager with a security company.

Yet their parents’ work ethic has not rubbed off on Danny and Gina. Instead, they claim they are entitled to benefits because of their parents’ tax contributions — and even complain they should be given MORE. Gina, flaunting fake tan and perfectly manicured nails, said: “I don’t see that we’re living off the taxpayers, we’re entitled to the money our parents paid all their lives. “They’ve worked so hard since they left school and I’m sure they’d rather it went to us than see us struggle. They pay a lot of tax, and although they’d rather we weren’t in this situation and one of us had a job, they understand why we are where we are. We can’t help it, we’re stuck like it.”
Danny, who quit his job as a supermarket shelf-stacker after eight months, admitted: “I could easily go and work for my dad. He’s got a job for me, but could only afford to pay for my travel and accommodation because I’d be going around the country. “After that he wouldn’t be able to afford to pay me a wage, so I’d be worse off. “The same would happen if I was to work somewhere like a supermarket. If I was earning less than £26,000 a year, there wouldn’t be any point. I’d be no better off. Who in their right mind would do that?” The pair spoke after we revealed last Sunday that Lithuanian Natalija Belova, 33, branded Britain “a soft touch” for giving her £14,408 annual benefits. Mum-of-one Belova told how she lives a life of luxury in Watford, Herts, thanks to our “strange system”, adding: “I am not going to work like a dog on minimum wage.”

And yesterday Gina agreed. She said: “The only way we’d ever be better off is by both working. But then childcare would probably be one of our wages gone, and put us back in a more difficult position. “We don’t feel ashamed for being on benefits. Neither of us have the slightest bit of guilt towards the taxpayers as both of our parents have been paying into the tax system for the last 30 years. “So we are just getting back our parents’ huge contributions. My dad earns £65,000 a year so he’s paid more than his fair share of tax, so I don’t see what the problem is. The fault lies with the system, not us. There’s just no incentive to find work when we’ve got a better lifestyle than if we were to go out and work for 35-40 hours every week. Why would we give this up?” The couple, who live in Hants, receive £340 a week, made up of £150 housing benefit, £60 child tax credit, £20 child benefit and £110 in Job Seeker’s Allowance. They pay just £25 towards their spacious £625-a-month home.

Their lounge is dominated by the huge TV and a leather sofa. A laptop and Tullulah-Rose’s toys are scattered around the room. The couple’s monthly outgoings are £240 on food, £40 phone bill for their shared Nokia and an £80 payment towards their TV. They spend the same on tobacco as they do on their daughter’s milk and nappies.
The pair, who want another child, say they would need to earn at least £2,200 a month before tax to make working worth their while. Danny said: “We’ve thought about a lot of things we wouldn’t normally have considered. Gina looked up escorting and saw you can make £110 an hour, but we decided we wouldn’t go down that route.
"We simply want the best for our daughter, which means even shoplifting becomes a temptation. We’d never do it, but being in this situation and feeling trapped changes you. “We would work, but it’s just not worth our while because without qualifications we’ll only earn about £14,000 a year. That’s a lot less than what we get now. We need more money so we can maintain the way we live now but have a few extras, like holidays.

"People don’t understand — we’re actually stuck on benefits. In fact, we feel trapped.” Danny and Gina thought about going to college, but could not decide which course to take. Gina said: “We have discussed getting more qualifications but just thought there’s no point when we don’t know what we want to do in the future. We wouldn’t know where to start.” The couple are adamant that whatever they do in future, they want to enjoy the same luxuries as now. Gina said: “We spend £40 a month on clothes for Tullulah-Rose. It’s important she looks nice.
“We like a takeaway too, Why shouldn’t we? It isn’t like I’m some scrounging single mum trying to cash in. It’s silly to think I’d actually be better off financially if Danny walked out on me and my daughter than if one of us got a job.
“Anyone else would do exactly the same if they were in our shoes. It’s actually really hard for us. We’re in a lose-lose situation here.”


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[ChopperDoc]

I will remain speechless because I can't say anything nice.

[Rem700]

Cut them off and watch them sink or swim.

[BIGC]

Some of those statements sound just like me while I was on unemployment..... Would like to go back a year and kick the shit out of myself..... No assistance coming in now and we are surviving..... If I find a job it will be better but we can live off of what the wife makes and what I bring in with sales...

[Wyldman]

Nothing. I'm simply fucking speechless.

[guncrank1]

Some of those statements sound just like me while I was on unemployment..... Would like to go back a year and kick the shit out of myself..... No assistance coming in now and we are surviving..... If I find a job it will be better but we can live off of what the wife makes and what I bring in with sales

We all learn

But 1740 British pounds

I believe that is more than I make

[justang1997]

Its sad that they can't see the long term harm they are doing to themselves and their kid. Take someone with little to no education and pay them more money to stay at home and not work than to get a job. What do you really expect to happen.

[Dave1965]

Some of those statements sound just like me while I was on unemployment..... Would like to go back a year and kick the shit out of myself..... No assistance coming in now and we are surviving..... If I find a job it will be better but we can live off of what the wife makes and what I bring in with sales

We all learn

But 1740 British pounds

I believe that is more than I make

Are you still not at the plant??

[WLJ]

Some of those statements sound just like me while I was on unemployment..... Would like to go back a year and kick the shit out of myself..... No assistance coming in now and we are surviving..... If I find a job it will be better but we can live off of what the wife makes and what I bring in with sales

We all learn

But 1740 British pounds

I believe that is more than I make

At the current exchange rate (1-29-13)
That's equal to $2,737.89

[Dave1965]

Its 1473, not 1743 = $2312

[renovatio]

They're right about one thing: "The fault lies with the system, not us."

If I spent the last 50 years creating a Ford plant, I would not be surprised to see it turning out Ford cars. That's what I would expect to see, because that's what I created it to do. Our government has intentionally and meticulously created a factory that manufactures worthless lazy scumbags, now we want to blame the scumbags. I know there's a certain amount of accountability within people regardless of their upbringing and social influence, but if my parents hadn't taught me better I'd be no different than these people. In the name of equality we've stripped our kids of something invaluable: pride in their own accomplishments. The ability to do something of value and the desire to do it better than other people. I'm no longer surprised by people like this, I'm surprised we still have people who work.

[Rem700]

They're right about one thing: "The fault lies with the system, not us."

If I spent the last 50 years creating a Ford plant, I would not be surprised to see it turning out Ford cars. That's what I would expect to see, because that's what I created it to do. Our government has intentionally and meticulously created a factory that manufactures worthless lazy scumbags, now we want to blame the scumbags. I know there's a certain amount of accountability within people regardless of their upbringing and social influence, but if my parents hadn't taught me better I'd be no different than these people. In the name of equality we've stripped our kids of something invaluable: pride in their own accomplishments. The ability to do something of value and the desire to do it better than other people. I'm no longer surprised by people like this, I'm surprised we still have people who work.

Agreed, but it regards to the underlined comment, please remember our socety/gov has also done anything and everything to make people believe someone else is always responsible. They have been brainwashed for years to think that they are not responsible for their own lives and that is a major part of the problem.

[Dave1965]

and in the news....some more information....

[Rem700]

^^^^Exactly. Our gov has an army of entitlement junkies thast will do whatever is asked of them as long as it means they get their stuff for free.

[Wyldman]

The Americans With No Abilities Act

President Barack Obama and the Democratic Senate are considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

"Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society," said California Sen. Barbara Boxer. "We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability (POI) to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing."

In a Capitol Hill press conference, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. At the state government level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons with No Ability (63 percent).

Under the Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million mid-level positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance.

Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability (POI) into middle-management positions, and give a tax credit to small and medium-sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.

Finally, the Americans With No Abilities Act contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the non-abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, "Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?"

"As a non-abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them," said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Mich., due to her inability to remember righty tighty, lefty loosey. "This new law should be real good for people like me. I’ll finally have job security." With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Said Sen. Dick Durbin: "As a senator with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great nation and a good salary for doing so."


Even though this not true (yet!), it rings of the same kind of lunacy as most of the other legislation in the last few years, it also fits in very tightly with the matter under discussion in this thread.