.223 Pistol

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Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

AutoMag .44AutoMag used cut down .308 rifle cases.
Desert Eagle is another large/heavey caliber self feeding handgun.

And right ProC , it would have a massive grip diameter.

Yeah I guess I kind of answered my own question when the grip came to mind. I suppose we could end this thread now, or keep it going for any discussion centered around this topic. Case closed. No .223 pistol for me and that's quite alright. I'm excellent with my .40 IMHO. Keep going with what works for me, right? It's the only pistol I've ever been accurate with. Was just thinking about simplifying things a little more.

As is, I only have one pistol because I'm good with it. No need to collect. My Savage .308 is the only rifle I feel I need. I can bag a deer with a single trigger squeeze, every time so far. My AR is just my fun gun but it's a damn straight shooter too. Figured an AK in .223 would just be some more fun.

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Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

AutoMag .44AutoMag used cut down .308 rifle cases.
Desert Eagle is another large/heavey caliber self feeding handgun.

And right ProC , it would have a massive grip diameter.

Yeah I guess I kind of answered my own question when the grip came to mind. I suppose we could end this thread now, or keep it going for any discussion centered around this topic. Case closed. No .223 pistol for me and that's quite alright. I'm excellent with my .40 IMHO. Keep going with what works for me, right? It's the only pistol I've ever been accurate with. Was just thinking about simplifying things a little more.



As is, I only have one pistol because I'm good with it. No need to collect. My Savage .308 is the only rifle I feel I need. I can bag a deer with a single trigger squeeze, every time so far. My AR is just my fun gun but it's a damn straight shooter too. Figured an AK in .223 would just be some more fun.

Never have enough guns.

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Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

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SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

[teronjonnz]

A .223 rifle modified and cut down to a pistol. This is a one-of-a-kind firearm, obviously made with love and skill.This handgun is one of the best of the small pistols. It does more damage than any other non-energy pistol, and fires .223 FMJ rounds, which have the best DR modifier and second-best AC modifier of any ammunition. The only downside is the low ammunition capacity, a paltry 5 rounds. Even 14mm pistols and .44 revolvers hold more ammunition. Still, with .223 a common caliber and the damage on the .223 pistol being astronomical, it's easily one of the best weapons in the game.

[Marcus]

A .223 rifle modified and cut down to a pistol. This is a one-of-a-kind firearm, obviously made with love and skill.This handgun is one of the best of the small pistols. It does more damage than any other non-energy pistol, and fires .223 FMJ rounds, which have the best DR modifier and second-best AC modifier of any ammunition. The only downside is the low ammunition capacity, a paltry 5 rounds. Even 14mm pistols and .44 revolvers hold more ammunition. Still, with .223 a common caliber and the damage on the .223 pistol being astronomical, it's easily one of the best weapons in the game.

Um, what?

[RecoilSensitive]

A .223 rifle modified and cut down to a pistol. This is a one-of-a-kind firearm, obviously made with love and skill.This handgun is one of the best of the small pistols. It does more damage than any other non-energy pistol, and fires .223 FMJ rounds, which have the best DR modifier and second-best AC modifier of any ammunition. The only downside is the low ammunition capacity, a paltry 5 rounds. Even 14mm pistols and .44 revolvers hold more ammunition. Still, with .223 a common caliber and the damage on the .223 pistol being astronomical, it's easily one of the best weapons in the game.

rifle to pistol = SBR

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[guncrank1]

Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

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SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

My link was for a .30 carbine which is a rifle round.

[WLJ]

Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

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SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

My link was for a .30 carbine which is a rifle round.

30 Carbine - 38,000psi
223 -55,000 psi

[guncrank1]

Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

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SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

My link was for a .30 carbine which is a rifle round.

30 Carbine - 38,000psi
223 -55,000 psi

And you mean that a .223 is too much for a design like a AutoMag?

[Frailer]

Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

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SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

My link was for a .30 carbine which is a rifle round.

30 Carbine - 38,000psi
223 -55,000 psi

And you mean that a .223 is too much for a design like a AutoMag?

I'm no engineer, but I think it would be a problem.

I'm aware of no short-recoil firearms that fire high pressure cartridges without also having a massive barrel assembly.

Without a significant amount of inertia to prevent the action from unlocking early I *believe* (again, not an engineer) the chamber pressure would be too high when the bolt face disengaged from the barrel extension.

[WLJ]

Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

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SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

My link was for a .30 carbine which is a rifle round.

30 Carbine - 38,000psi
223 -55,000 psi

And you mean that a .223 is too much for a design like a AutoMag?

Automag 44 AMP - 35,000 psi
AMT Automag II 22mag - 19,000 psi
AMT Automag III 30 Carbine - 38,000 psi
AMT Automag IV 45 Win Mag - 40,000 psi
AMT Automag V 50AE - 36,000
source for the round pressure
http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm

I seriously doubt any of the Automags could handle 55,000 psi safely. Besides the length of the 223 round would necessitate a complete redesign anyway not to mention the grip would require Godzilla hands.

[guncrank1]

Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

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SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

My link was for a .30 carbine which is a rifle round.

30 Carbine - 38,000psi
223 -55,000 psi

And you mean that a .223 is too much for a design like a AutoMag?

I'm no engineer, but I think it would be a problem.

I'm aware of no short-recoil firearms that fire high pressure cartridges without also having a massive barrel assembly.

Without a significant amount of inertia to prevent the action from unlocking early I *believe* (again, not an engineer) the chamber pressure would be too high when the bolt face disengaged from the barrel extension.

The Desert Eagle and Widley are rotating locked bolt designs, so it is possible to chamber a round but the handle diameter would be impractical.

[Frailer]

Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

...

SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

My link was for a .30 carbine which is a rifle round.

30 Carbine - 38,000psi
223 -55,000 psi

And you mean that a .223 is too much for a design like a AutoMag?

I'm no engineer, but I think it would be a problem.

I'm aware of no short-recoil firearms that fire high pressure cartridges without also having a massive barrel assembly.

Without a significant amount of inertia to prevent the action from unlocking early I *believe* (again, not an engineer) the chamber pressure would be too high when the bolt face disengaged from the barrel extension.

The Desert Eagle and Widley are rotating locked bolt designs, so it is possible to chamber a round but the handle diameter would be impractical.

With *very* short gas systems.

Neither is designed to hold up to .223 pressures.

[guncrank1]

Issues already cited aside, building a semi-auto pistol for a round with a chamber pressure almost double that of a 10mm or .44 magnum would prove to be an...interesting...engineering problem.

Yes it is a design that is been done before
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

...

SAAMI peak pressure for the .44 AMP is significantly less than that of the .223 Remimgton.

My link was for a .30 carbine which is a rifle round.

30 Carbine - 38,000psi
223 -55,000 psi

And you mean that a .223 is too much for a design like a AutoMag?

I'm no engineer, but I think it would be a problem.

I'm aware of no short-recoil firearms that fire high pressure cartridges without also having a massive barrel assembly.

Without a significant amount of inertia to prevent the action from unlocking early I *believe* (again, not an engineer) the chamber pressure would be too high when the bolt face disengaged from the barrel extension.

The Desert Eagle and Widley are rotating locked bolt designs, so it is possible to chamber a round but the handle diameter would be impractical.

With *very* short gas systems.

Neither is designed to hold up to .223 pressures.

Ok , I believe it is possible to use a rotary bolt design or someother design.
But I am not a engineer either.

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