Shrinking the Military

[shelbygoat]

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013 ... plans.html

General Dempsey talked about this last year and issued a VERY similar statement.

No one listened.

Now its critical.

We had a meeting the other day and there were more than a few of us our names are on a seperation list. Good NCO's that I consider best of the best, just because of certain requirements. If they do cut the budget drastically, going to impact even harder than we are now.

[Toddstang]

I remember hearing about this last year as well.
Lets see, disarm the people, shrink the military:
Nothing bad could ever come of this.

[shelbygoat]

shrinking the military has been in the works for years now, the action phase is just getting started now

[jackalo626]

Operation destroy America.

[Nolan]

QMP is bad news- lost a lot of great NCOs to it

[shelbygoat]

QMP is bad news- lost a lot of great NCOs to it

yup, not only QMP, also QSP now too

[LCPL_NBREW]

well the good news is that in my PLT as it stands today we have 5 NCO on march 1 3 of them EAS and they are kicking one of our CPL ( with 3 combat deployments) out of the BN cause hes been in the fleet to long and im still 100 points from picking up theres so much BS going on right now its not even funny

[Jakob]

That's one thing I can't stand about the military is how many decisions are made by politicians and not warriors. You don't ask a carpenter how to cull a chicken.

[Buccman37]

and of course when the when a new war starts we will once again sell out the military
1.not having proper training
2.not the right equipment
3.lack of experience at the right levels
4.not the right troop levels
my list can go on and on

[Frailer]

That's one thing I can't stand about the military is how many decisions are made by politicians and not warriors. You don't ask a carpenter how to cull a chicken.

Civilian control of the military is one of the core principles upon which our nation was founded. It does indeed suck when you're on the receiving end. I bitched about it back in the early 90s when the cuts came, and I pitched a royal hissy fit in 2003 on the Turkish/Syrian/Iraqi border when the criminally arrogant--and appropriately-named--Dick Cheney sent us somewhere we had no business going, but in the final analysis it's a good thing.

FWIW, I know a few of the green-suiters who worked on the Army's implementation of the sequestration that we may be facing. They're good guys who hated doing what they had to do, but they did their best. Here's a direct quote from one of them, made just a couple of days ago:

"...the question is how do we figure out ways to remove them from the Army without destroying their lives and families."

Not saying what's coming is good; not saying it's right. It just is what it is.

[shelbygoat]

http://www.army.mil/article/94545/

this was just posted

notice USFK(US Forces Korea) didn't get funding cut, meaning only a few things

[Harb]

and of course when the when a new war starts we will once again sell out the military
1.not having proper training
2.not the right equipment
3.lack of experience at the right levels
4.not the right troop levels
my list can go on and on

You mean like we were pre-WWII?

[Frailer]

and of course when the when a new war starts we will once again sell out the military
1.not having proper training
2.not the right equipment
3.lack of experience at the right levels
4.not the right troop levels
my list can go on and on

You mean like we were pre-WWII?

Pre-WWII, pre-WWI, pre-Civil War (when there was *one* general officer, BTW)...

Read "America's First Battles." This is what we do.

[DDgunslinger]

The whole thing is garabage, granted if the Army would maintain a higher standard there would be less stagnant NCO's and less $hitbags in the ranks to kick out. I have received 1 Joe in the last 3yrs that was actually worth a fu@k.

[shelbygoat]

The whole thing is garabage, granted if the Army would maintain a higher standard there would be less stagnant NCO's and less $hitbags in the ranks to kick out. I have received 1 Joe in the last 3yrs that was actually worth a fu@k.

in the next year the NCOER system will be changing over to the new system, we had an NCOPD on it yesterday.

New blocks and no longer excellence, success, and need improvement. Will be either meets or standard or does not meet standard

also senior rater #s will be gone and replaced with new blocks as well, with updated definitions for the current leadership doctrine

change is coming, good or bad, its coming, and not everyone will meet those standards and will be weeded out

as far as shitbags, i have 30 -10 levels in my platoon in alone, you know how we deal with them when they are untrainable, after we attempt to train them, we first hit them with an Art 15, if they bounce back, then they are usually good, if not, we process them out of the Army...paperwork is too easy nowadays and that slot can easilty be filled with a more competent person.

[DDgunslinger]

It's bad... All bad. New Army is a joke, made up of lazy undisciplined privates who cry when you yell at them and younger NCO's that don't know how to lead their soldiers.

[shelbygoat]

It's bad... All bad. New Army is a joke, made up of lazy undisciplined privates who cry when you yell at them and younger NCO's that don't know how to lead their soldiers.

I don't have one undisciplined private. They may not know what to do, but untrained and undisciplined are two different things to me.

I do not agree with the automatic promotion system, but any competent leader knows how to stop it from happening. I have 2 SPC in my section headed to WLC soon, 1 i would like to see promoted, the other WILL NOT be promoted under my command.

[DDgunslinger]

Then you've either lucked out or we have a different opinion of what disciplined is... Either way this kinder/gentler Army is complete bull$hit.

[Frailer]

It's bad... All bad. New Army is a joke, made up of lazy undisciplined privates who cry when you yell at them and younger NCO's that don't know how to lead their soldiers.

If it makes you feel any better, the first time the "this new Army is a joke" line was used was in 1775.

We were bitching about the lousy soldiers we were getting 25 years ago, and I'm sure the Vietnam vets bitched about us.

Shelbygoat got it exactly right. Be glad you have the option of getting rid of those who won't get on the train.

[shelbygoat]

Then you've either lucked out or we have a different opinion of what disciplined is... Either way this kinder/gentler Army is complete bull$hit.

I haven't lucked out. I have worked hard and earned everything I have done, as well as many other Soldiers have, are, and are contiuing to do. I have changed with the Army. Fact is the newer generation is different than our generation in how we train, fight, PT, conduct daily operations, etc. Therefore, the leadership has to change with them and adapt to the new programs and training tools the Army has provided us.

I chose to jump on that train because I am active duty and in till retirement, this is my career, 100% with everything I have. It may be a kinder Army, but it is not our generation that we are teaching. You can instill the same discipline we got in defferent ways. Do I still skull drag them motherfuckers at 0300 in the morning, yes, I have done it twice when soldiers have come back drunk, late, or have left a battle buddy for one reason or another. We have a tank tow bar sitting just outside the barracks. That is one method of teaching them.

[DDgunslinger]

Fair enough, and I respect your opinion. However, my squad will uphold the old army standard or they can find a new home. This is why I'm probably transferring to the LRS unit upon return of this next deployment.

[Frailer]

...Fact is the newer generation is different than our generation in how we train, fight, PT, conduct daily operations, etc. Therefore, the leadership has to change with them and adapt to the new programs and training tools the Army has provided us.

Bingo. You were different than us...they are different than you...and they'll complain about the useless slackers that show up in their squads when their turn comes.

The world turns. Being a good leader means playing the hand you're dealt.

[shelbygoat]

Fair enough, and I respect your opinion. However, my squad will uphold the old army standard or they can find a new home. This is why I'm probably transferring to the LRS unit upon return of this next deployment.

standards remain the same

i was discussing training and how the method of discipline which does play into standards and they all overlap one way or another

[DDgunslinger]

Fair enough, and I respect your opinion. However, my squad will uphold the old army standard or they can find a new home. This is why I'm probably transferring to the LRS unit upon return of this next deployment.

standards remain the same

i was discussing training and how the method of discipline which does play into standards and they all overlap one way or another

Hahahahahaha

[325MOUTguru]

I have to agree with DD on this.
We were trained certain ways to prepare us to actually do our job.
If you can't operate under the highest levels of stress you are a liability to yourself and your team.

Trying to use civility while training to engage in savage circumstances is insane.

Tactics evolve, equipment gets better but if we raise personnel unprepared to use it when it counts the most we might as well have spent all that money on wellfare.

YMMV