Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave concert
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Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave concert
They would have asked any terrorists to do the same thing, right?
Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave concert
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Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave concert
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
so were they open carrying, printing or were the off-duty LMPD doing security wanding people?
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
that's the question...unless they were sending everyone through metal detectors and they had to ID for carry...ChopperDoc wrote:so were they open carrying, printing or were the off-duty LMPD doing security wanding people?
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
kokopelli wrote:that's the question...unless they were sending everyone through metal detectors and they had to ID for carry...ChopperDoc wrote:so were they open carrying, printing or were the off-duty LMPD doing security wanding people?
Yeah, if the venue is using metal detectors then I would like to know before I potentially purchase tickets for anything there.
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
I've been to the same venue multiple times with differing levels of security. Sometimes it's a wand, a check in the box "pat-down", a more thorough and professional pat-down, sometimes you can walk right in.
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
Most venues have a bar but are not restaurants, so carrying to a concert would be illegal in Kentucky. I assume there's a blanket exception for sworn officers to be able to carry into bars.F. Carrying a loaded firearm in a bar; restaurant exception
State law (KRS 244.125) prohibits anyone, including a license holder, from possessing a loaded firearm, whether concealed or in the open, in a room where alcoholic beverages are being sold by the drink. This prohibition does not apply to restaurants open to the general public that seat at least 50 people and receive at least half of their gross annual income from the sale of food.
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
Yeah but doesn't LMPD require them to carry a gun at all times?
Witnesses said the officers were asked to disarm. The problem is LMPD's standard operating procedures for off-duty officers states: "While within Jefferson County, an officer must carry an approved pistol of .380 caliber or larger. The reason being, if officers are needed in a situation where a crime is happening, they can help."
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Whootsinator wrote:Most venues have a bar but are not restaurants, so carrying to a concert would be illegal in Kentucky. I assume there's a blanket exception for sworn officers to be able to carry into bars.F. Carrying a loaded firearm in a bar; restaurant exception
State law (KRS 244.125) prohibits anyone, including a license holder, from possessing a loaded firearm, whether concealed or in the open, in a room where alcoholic beverages are being sold by the drink. This prohibition does not apply to restaurants open to the general public that seat at least 50 people and receive at least half of their gross annual income from the sale of food.
This can be a grey area, I am sure. While beer can be carried into the seating area not all venues sell in the seating area. Many will have vendors which sell beer but also food in the kiosks. The Palace is a smaller venue though, and may be considered a bar for legal definitions.
Not sure I want to be the test of that legal grey area but I do not think it is as cut n dry as you would imagine.
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
I imagine the deciding factor would be who spent the most money on their lawyer.
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WLJ wrote:Yeah but doesn't LMPD require them to carry a gun at all times?Witnesses said the officers were asked to disarm. The problem is LMPD's standard operating procedures for off-duty officers states: "While within Jefferson County, an officer must carry an approved pistol of .380 caliber or larger. The reason being, if officers are needed in a situation where a crime is happening, they can help."
yes, and it is actually a KRS; (state law) for sworn officers of a 1st class city to be armed 24 hours a day
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
ChopperDoc wrote:Whootsinator wrote:Most venues have a bar but are not restaurants, so carrying to a concert would be illegal in Kentucky. I assume there's a blanket exception for sworn officers to be able to carry into bars.F. Carrying a loaded firearm in a bar; restaurant exception
State law (KRS 244.125) prohibits anyone, including a license holder, from possessing a loaded firearm, whether concealed or in the open, in a room where alcoholic beverages are being sold by the drink. This prohibition does not apply to restaurants open to the general public that seat at least 50 people and receive at least half of their gross annual income from the sale of food.
This can be a grey area, I am sure. While beer can be carried into the seating area not all venues sell in the seating area. Many will have vendors which sell beer but also food in the kiosks. The Palace is a smaller venue though, and may be considered a bar for legal definitions.
Not sure I want to be the test of that legal grey area but I do not think it is as cut n dry as you would imagine.
The inclusion of a bar in any establishment does not automatically make that place off limits. It becomes off limits when the primary source of income is the sale of alcohol.
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
Yep.kokopelli wrote:WLJ wrote:Yeah but doesn't LMPD require them to carry a gun at all times?Witnesses said the officers were asked to disarm. The problem is LMPD's standard operating procedures for off-duty officers states: "While within Jefferson County, an officer must carry an approved pistol of .380 caliber or larger. The reason being, if officers are needed in a situation where a crime is happening, they can help."
yes, and it is actually a KRS; (state law) for sworn officers of a 1st class city to be armed 24 hours a day
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
I think it would really come down to who the liquor license is issued to.
If it issued to a vendor in a large facility like the Yum Center that has their own separate space then you are not necessarily "entering the bar" just by entering the premises.
If The Palace has a license issued to it then it would cover all the property and not just one area of it.
If it issued to a vendor in a large facility like the Yum Center that has their own separate space then you are not necessarily "entering the bar" just by entering the premises.
If The Palace has a license issued to it then it would cover all the property and not just one area of it.
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
Just because alcohol is sold, doesn't make it illegal to carry there.
The places in question were wanding and when the officers that were there(off duty carrying concealed) told the people they were armed and provided credentials, they were told no weapons and they could either leave them in the car and enter or leave.
The decision was made from the top. Their new policy is NO ARMED PEOPLE regardless of law enforcement.
So the way I read that is that they do not want even on duty officers inside their businesses. Ever. For whatever reason.
I for one would have no problem telling them that I can not go inside to deal with the unruly people because of their own policies. The looks on their faces would be great.
The places in question were wanding and when the officers that were there(off duty carrying concealed) told the people they were armed and provided credentials, they were told no weapons and they could either leave them in the car and enter or leave.
The decision was made from the top. Their new policy is NO ARMED PEOPLE regardless of law enforcement.
So the way I read that is that they do not want even on duty officers inside their businesses. Ever. For whatever reason.
I for one would have no problem telling them that I can not go inside to deal with the unruly people because of their own policies. The looks on their faces would be great.
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How is it that a company, Live Nation in this instance, can, or would want to, prevent a law enforcement officer, off duty or not, from entering any establishment, given the KRS statute referenced by Koko?!?
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I was wondering the same.Gunsmokin wrote:How is it that a company, Live Nation in this instance, can, or would want to, prevent a law enforcement officer, off duty or not, from entering any establishment, given the KRS statute referenced by Koko?!?
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Re: Louisville off-duty officers told to disarm or leave con
Simple....cant fix stupidGunsmokin wrote:How is it that a company, Live Nation in this instance, can, or would want to, prevent a law enforcement officer, off duty or not, from entering any establishment, given the KRS statute referenced by Koko?!?