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You are just all kinda full of good news!!!!WLJ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:49 pmATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/
The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf
Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
If you look back when the bullshit with the bump stock happened, you will find where I said this was next. Not gloating. It is complete garbage and an agency run amok. We need to burn up McConnell’s office phone with calls to stop the ATF’s egregious overstepping of the law.WLJ wrote:ATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/
The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf
Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
Yeah, I think lots of us saw this coming. It's ridiculous...Gunsmokin wrote:If you look back when the bullshit with the bump stock happened, you will find where I said this was next. Not gloating. It is complete garbage and an agency run amok. We need to burn up McConnell’s office phone with calls to stop the ATF’s egregious overstepping of the law.WLJ wrote:ATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/
The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf
Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/break ... ist-order/The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms has issued a 60-day stay of their cease and desist order against Q, LLC regarding production of the Honey Badger pistol with SB Tactical stabilizing brace.
The letter says the 60-day stay is to allow the Department of Justice to assess the applicability of National Firearms Act regulations to the Q’s Honey Badger pistol. Some will see this as a positive development. Maybe the regulatory giant is having second thoughts and the suspension gives them time to reassess.
A more cynical view would be the ATF has chosen to punt the decision until after the election to see which way the political winds are blowing when the 60 days are up in December.
ATF Raids Polymer80’s Office Claiming Company Is Illegally Selling GunsDAYTON, NV –-(Ammoland.com)- Federal authorities have raided the offices of Polymer80 for allegedly illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms, failing to pay taxes, shipping firearms across state lines, and failing to conduct background checks.
The target of the raid centers around the company’s “Buy Build Shoot Kit,” which includes a slide, barrel, parts, the jigs, drill bits, and an 80% frame. The end-user would still need to mill out the frame to turn it into a working firearm. The ATF claims that because of the way the company sells the kits that these packages constitute firearms, and Polymer80 needs to serialize the frame.
Called Mitch and Rands offices earlier when this news broke.Gunsmokin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:04 pmIf you look back when the bullshit with the bump stock happened, you will find where I said this was next. Not gloating. It is complete garbage and an agency run amok. We need to burn up McConnell’s office phone with calls to stop the ATF’s egregious overstepping of the law.WLJ wrote:ATF Rules Q’s Honey Badger Pistol is a Short Barrel Rifle, Issues Cease and Desist Letter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/atf-r ... st-letter/
The letter
https://mcusercontent.com/557cc802f2316 ... Letter.pdf
Reading it most pistol braces may be going the way of the bump stock
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Yet make no arrests or file any charges.WLJ wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:10 pmATF Raids Polymer80’s Office Claiming Company Is Illegally Selling GunsDAYTON, NV –-(Ammoland.com)- Federal authorities have raided the offices of Polymer80 for allegedly illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms, failing to pay taxes, shipping firearms across state lines, and failing to conduct background checks.
The target of the raid centers around the company’s “Buy Build Shoot Kit,” which includes a slide, barrel, parts, the jigs, drill bits, and an 80% frame. The end-user would still need to mill out the frame to turn it into a working firearm. The ATF claims that because of the way the company sells the kits that these packages constitute firearms, and Polymer80 needs to serialize the frame.
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/12/atf-ra ... z6gKrTlgCm
Raids like this are often done not to arrest anyone, at first, but to gather info like customer records among other things to build up a case. They want to know where these things went and If any of their customers fail a background check well that's icing on the cake. The arrests often come later based on what they find
It's the 80%s being sold with the kits to finish them and not just 80% alone that seems to have triggered this. 80% were in many ways walking a thin line between legal definitions and the kit pushed them, in the ATF's view, over to the illegal side of the line.
I've never priced them but it wouldn't surprise me. Guess many are willing to pay more for the illusion of anonymity. The reason I say illusion is that unless you walked directly into the company and put down cash there are sales records to access which is what the ATF seems to be doing in this case. Not sure if the ATF could request CC records as well.plumber_bob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:21 amYou'd spend more on a kit than if you just went and bought a complete firearm.
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100%.WLJ wrote:I predict binary and similar triggers are next