BATFE pulling a blue falcon (again)

[1fastmach1]

http://sagedynamics.blogspot.com/2015/0 ... posed.html

Good read. Thanks for sharing!

[mike@meridian]

http://sagedynamics.blogspot.com/2015/0 ... posed.html

Nailed it. Here is our brief submission for the copy/past crowd and the link to contact your lawmakers (obviously e-mail to BATFE as well, goes without saying)

https://www.nraila.org/take-action/writ ... lawmakers/

I am contacting you today to voice my opposition to the proposed BATFE ruling to unjustly reclassify common, domestically produced .223 Remington or 5.56mm NATO caliber M855/SS109 type ammunition as "armor piercing". This round is the most popular sporting caliber chambered in America's most popular sporting rifle, the AR15; and this constitutes a blatant attempt to further undermine and infringe upon the rights of the citizens of the United States on the sole basis of semantics. Incrementally pushing back-door gun control is NOT the answer we want to the problems facing our society. Basing actions such as this and other bits of legislation on emotion, false-facts and a clear anti-gun agenda will only serve to further endanger those who seek to defend themselves and their loved ones from harm and place our law enforcement officers in harms way by ensuring those who do posses arms and ammunition are criminals intent on breaking the law. I urge you to take an unbiased look at the facts of this matter, reach out to informed industry experts and exercise sound judgement in opposing this proposed ban.

[WLJ]

Found on another forum, don't know any details

Hmmm, what's wrong with this picture besides the price?

[Dave1965]

their not pmags

and never seen steel cased m855 (not saying it doesn't exist, just never seen any)

[WLJ]

their not pmags

well that too LOL

[Tyler]

Fuck the BATFE and their(our) masters.

[jackalo626]

Found on another forum, don't know any details

Hmmm, what's wrong with this picture besides the price?

Everything

[mike@meridian]

Found on another forum, don't know any details

Hmmm, what's wrong with this picture besides the price?

Everything

Literally everything. Everything is wrong with that photo. It's like looking into the sun. No good comes from it.

[Dave1965]

Then you probably haven't been to any gun shows lately

[jackalo626]

Then you probably haven't been to any gun shows lately

We didn't say surprising, just that it is wrong.

[WLJ]

I would be leery of buying of any 5.56 with a green tip at gun shows and other places from here on out unless I confirm somehow it really is M855.
Bet Lowes and HD are out of green paint

[jmeister]

I would be leery of buying of any 5.56 with a green tip at gun shows and other places from here on out unless I confirm somehow it really is M855.

just take a magnet with you

[WLJ]

http://www.armslist.com/posts/4047778/c ... rcing-ammo

FOR TRADE: M855 SUPER ARMOR PIERCING AMMO

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Looking to trade 1000rds of this super duper sonic ammo!
Will consider a straight trade for a Ford Mustang in perfect shape.
If your car is convertible I'd be willing to add 25 more RDS to even the trade.

Please contact me ASAP for this stuff is the greatest ammo ever known to man.

I saw one time a man hiding behind 12inches of steel and an untrained private lit him up.
These projectiles went straight through that steel blew that muj into 10 pieces. Then the round kept going turned the corner and went another 3000 yds and took out a semi trucks motor.

So obviously you are stupid if you don't trade me!

DONT LOW BALL ME!
WILL TRADE FOR

[jackalo626]

I would be leery of buying of any 5.56 with a green tip at gun shows and other places from here on out unless I confirm somehow it really is M855.

just take a magnet with you

Yep

[jackalo626]

I looked today and have more of 855 than I thought. It is for sale of anyone wants to show me how ridiculous and panicked they are lol.

[WLJ]

A spokesperson for the Bureau of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told Gun Rights Examiner Wednesday afternoon that ATF’s recent ammunition ban proposal is not required to be published in the Federal Register. That claim was in answer to a query after determining ATF’s notice does not appear in the government’s official journal, and further noting a Wednesday Reuters report that a tangentially-related lack of rulemaking publication was given by a Texas judge as his reason for blocking the Obama administration’s “immigration overhaul.”

ATF claims Administrative Procedures Act exemption for proposed ammo ban notice
http://www.examiner.com/article/atf-cla ... ban-notice

[Toddstang]

Busy at work.
Cliff notes?

[Frailer]

Busy at work.
Cliff notes?

I just read it. It says, "blah, blah, blah."

[ChopperDoc]

Here is one lawyer's assessment of the current BATFE action:

The BATFE is like a petulant child testing his boundaries. The M855 ban is just the beginning of something much bigger.
The ATF spends nearly the entirety of its letter proposing the M855 ban discussing legislative intent and exemptions regarding "sporting purposes".
It however fails to mention the actual construction of the M855 projectile, which insofar as it only contains a steel penetrator contained within lead fails to meet the 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B)(i) standard for the definition of "armor piercing ammunition" which requires the projectile be constructed entirely of steel, iron, brass, bronze, depleted uranium, tungsten, and/or beryllium copper.
The M855/SS109 projectile contains even more lead than the previously (and dubiously) banned 7N6 round.
The M855/SS109 projectile is NOT by definition an armor piercing round and is therefore not subject to ATF regulation!
Accordingly, all legal debates surrounding legislative intent (which the ATF refutes when it does not support their argument, but HEAVILY leans upon when it bolsters their agenda), and "sporting purpose exemptions" are entirely moot insofar that the ATF does not have authority to ban rounds like the M855.
I do not doubt that the ATF's legal team is aware of this, which is why I accuse them of orchestrating something larger with this move. The BATFE is once again testing the waters to expand it's already nearly unmitigated authority.
If the M855 ban is allowed to stand, the ATF will eventually seek to ban other types of non armor piercing ammunition and use their M855 ban as evidence that they can go beyond the legislative definition. They have done this before by threatening to ban (and banning) weapons as "destructive devices", "redesigns", and having no "sporting purpose" citing their past actions that ignore their proper authority under the law.
Consider the ATF supporting the Sig Brace "redesign" by use citing their insane proposals to regulate nail guns, or their unfounded claim to redefine an unregulated flare launcher as a destructive device when the owner also possesses certain ammunition.
Also consider the banning of the USAS12 and Striker shotguns as "destructive devices" even though 26 USC 5845 (f)(2) CLEARLY exempts shotguns.
Don't even get me started on shoe laces.
The ATF uses these examples of unlawful abuse of power to make further arguments and threats to manufacturers and purchasers.
The M855 ban is going to set an illegal precedent that the BATFE will lean on to further legislate their own brand of law.

[ssracer]

I agree

[Whootsinator]

http://aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item ... 3-17898045

AIM Surplus email just hit my inbox. M855 in stock for $400/1,000. You won't see me buying it, but if you feel you MUST have M855 for some reason... here you go.

[Next]

Found this on another site. Not sure if it was posted hear. Seems like a pretty cool tool for making sending faxes easy:

http://www.savem855.com/Default.aspx

[jackalo626]

Faxed

[RecoilSensitive]

Sent one

[ChopperDoc]

NRA-ILA and some lawmaker's gonna get in the fight with the BATFE.

http://bearingarms.com/confirmed-nra-la ... n=baupdate