Kentucky Armory Club

Does anybody own one specifically from the toyo kogyo aresenal? We own a car made in the same factory and thinking of buying the gun built there too

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I don't, but it would be pretty neat to have a car and gun made in the same factory...

I have one, but don't know what factory it's from. It's been a couple of years since I've had it out, I'll have to check.

Toyo Kogyo arsenal stamp:



Toyo Kogyo was active from 1939 - 1945.

If you plan on shooting it it's a good idea to try to avoid ones made 44-45 since they were cutting corners at that point and the metal can be suspect in many of them. The early ones were fine rifles though and usually are good shooters.

Like this one?



Laid it on one of my reference books for photo. Mine is a Type 99, Series 33, Arsenal Toyo Kyogo. Mum, monopod and sight with wings intact. Not a real spiffy photo but you get the gist.

Jap action is stronger than a Mauser.

guncrank1 wrote:Jap action is stronger than a Mauser.

I'd choose a Mauser any day over that Jap crap.
There were reasons they were never copied/mass produced.

What were those reasons?

Whootsinator wrote:What were those reasons?

Have you ever cycled one?
Crude finish, some weird ass disk safety.
Sorry, but to me they are junk.

Flame on. Only collectors seem to defend their use.

The only Arisaka I've ever handled was in hoooorrible condition after being stuck in a closet and forgotten about, probably right after it was fished out of a body of water. It was bad.

Still, a crude finish and a "weird" safety aren't enough to toss out what might be a solid design.

Mine is decent. The silly dust cover makes it feel like a rattle trap. Often in the field the soldiers took it off for convenience. Take off the cover and it's a whole different feel. As I recall, these are among the stoutest of the actions based on the Mauser, they have been tested to above 70,000, and I think I remember reading they are rated to 120,000.

The Japanese were horrendous during the 30s and 40s, and I certainly do not condone their waging of war. However, I do believe in collecting to preserve history. I have a fair number of milsurps, including this Japanese example, and a Nazi marked Hi-Power. Not because I espouse their beliefs, but to preserve a little bit of history.

Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.

guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.

Mosins came before Arisakas.

Toddstang wrote:

guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.

I guess you know that in after WW 2 , there where plenty of Ariska and Mausers brought back to the states that there was a demand for barrels and stocks that it created several new companies and breathed life into older companieas in the firearms buisness.

That was what I ment.

Toddstang wrote:

guncrank1 wrote:Jap action is stronger than a Mauser.

I'd choose a Mauser any day over that Jap crap.
There were reasons they were never copied/mass produced.

Crude or not
The gunmaker/gunsmith PO Ackely blew up a Mauser before the Jap action.

Toddstang wrote:

guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.

Mosins came before Arisakas.

By six years 1891 vs 1897

guncrank1 wrote:

Toddstang wrote:

guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.

Mosins came before Arisakas.

By six years 1891 vs 1897

The Type 99 was introduce in 1939 and fired the 7.7x58 cartridge
The Type 30 in 1897 and fired the 6.5x50

WLJ wrote:

guncrank1 wrote:

Toddstang wrote:

guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.

Mosins came before Arisakas.

By six years 1891 vs 1897

The Type 99 was introduce in 1939 and fired the 7.7x58 cartridge
The Type 30 in 1897 and fired the 6.5x50

I am not a Jap expert but I believe that the design was basicly the same from the original to last.

guncrank1 wrote:

WLJ wrote:

guncrank1 wrote:

Toddstang wrote:

guncrank1 wrote:Back in the day Jap rifles where the Mosin -Nagant of the day.

Mosins came before Arisakas.

By six years 1891 vs 1897

The Type 99 was introduce in 1939 and fired the 7.7x58 cartridge
The Type 30 in 1897 and fired the 6.5x50

I am not a Jap expert but I believe that the design was basicly the same from the original to last.

Type 38 was an improved 30 with both firing the 6.5
Type 99 was an improved 38 firing the 7.7
So I guess you could call the 30 the 99's grandfather.

I have one of the 99 like pictured above. Pretty standard stuff but pretty neat with the antiaircraft sights and the monopod. I also have one of the last ditch guns. Pretty neat side by side comparison to illustrate how desperate they were to get guns out the door in the last bit of the war. I also have bayonets for both that are fashioned in the same regard. I might try to take some side by side comparison pictures for you.

Rext wrote:I might try to take some side by side comparison pictures for you.

That would be very cool to see.

These are the bayonets

Look closely for the differences in quality and the extra machine work that was involved. Also notice the amount of missing metal in the last ditch gun that I would assume would allow more for another rifle?

All about cutting corners