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Post by 1fastmach1 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:00 pm

I literally just struck a deal on fb to sell my brace in the am.

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Post by Eireguy » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:31 am

I see them for $100 now

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Post by ssracer » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:34 am

F the ATF

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Post by Mike » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:08 am

One letter, from one little agent, that thinks his idea is golden. Doesn't change my opinion on it.

It will eventually be a supreme court ruling(and needs to be, because I would love to be the defense attorney to ask them all the relevant questions on how an item magically changes into a different item simply by where it is in relation to a shoulder).

People need to ignore this and tell them to fuck off.
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Post by icehouse1 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:16 am

Mike wrote:One letter, from one little agent, that thinks his idea is golden. Doesn't change my opinion on it.

It will eventually be a supreme court ruling(and needs to be, because I would love to be the defense attorney to ask them all the relevant questions on how an item magically changes into a different item simply by where it is in relation to a shoulder).

People need to ignore this and tell them to fuck off.

I am!

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Post by Wyldman » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:11 am

Committing a home invasion, while on parole, being an armed felon, WITH AN ANKLE MONITOR ON! The brains here are all quite obviously fried, with onions.
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Post by 1fastmach1 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:16 am

It's not worth the headache having it. I'll just sell it and move on. I only lost a twenty dollar bill on it.

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Post by jackalo626 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:37 am

icehouse1 wrote:
Mike wrote:One letter, from one little agent, that thinks his idea is golden. Doesn't change my opinion on it.

It will eventually be a supreme court ruling(and needs to be, because I would love to be the defense attorney to ask them all the relevant questions on how an item magically changes into a different item simply by where it is in relation to a shoulder).

People need to ignore this and tell them to fuck off.

I am!
This isn't the "how much .22 did you pick up today" thread lol :llama:

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Post by Frailer » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:10 am

The more I think about this, the more squirrelly it becomes.

*If* I shoulder a pistol with a Sig brace, I've made a SBR. But what happens when I take it from my shoulder?

Does it become a pistol again, or is the weapon to which it is attached forever an NFA-regulated item?

There is no way in hell this would hold up in court. We've tiptoed around these guys for far too long, and we're our own worst enemy. We love chiding the ignorant who ask about attaching a vertical foregrip to the light rail on a pistol or those who don't weld their flash hider to a 14.5" barrel to our satisfaction. We use the extremely rare examples of people who were imprisoned for violations of ATF regs to justify our fear of "a trip to Club Fed"--and I count myself among that number, because I've demonstrated my "cleverness" on more than one occasion.

No more. Fuck 'em.

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Post by guncrank1 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:45 am

Good make a stand

I have not much choice to say fuck'em because they will fuck me.

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Post by Tyler » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:10 pm

guncrank1 wrote:Good make a stand

I have not much choice to say fuck'em because they will fuck me.
I think that's the whole point of government overreach. Not criticizing your unwillingness to take personal risk, just pointing out that they've won.

We collectively live in fear at times of our overlords and it makes me sick. The resulting carnage of a real resistance to fascism is sickening as well.
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Post by Toddstang » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:40 pm

Unless you are out at a public range doing stupid crap, then you will have nothing to worry about.

I don't think the ATF will make a stop at your house "Just because".

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Post by richief » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:02 pm

I can not see how they can approve the brace for a pistol, with the comment use does not change its pistol status, and then after thousands are sold because people added them to there pistol buffer tube that they often shouldered anyhow, reverse their ruling and call it A VIOLATION.

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Post by WLJ » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:11 pm

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Post by jackalo626 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:49 pm

Toddstang wrote:Unless you are out at a public range doing stupid crap, then you will have nothing to worry about.

I don't think the ATF will make a stop at your house "Just because".
Shouldn't have to hide to shoot guns.

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Post by Toddstang » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:55 pm

jackalo626 wrote:
Toddstang wrote:Unless you are out at a public range doing stupid crap, then you will have nothing to worry about.

I don't think the ATF will make a stop at your house "Just because".
Shouldn't have to hide to shoot guns.
Not at all.

Just saying you are more likely to get picked on by the "Barney Fife" ATF wanna be's at these places.
Sad but true.

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Post by Jff24Gordn » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:40 pm

Frailer wrote:The more I think about this, the more squirrelly it becomes.

*If* I shoulder a pistol with a Sig brace, I've made a SBR. But what happens when I take it from my shoulder?

Does it become a pistol again, or is the weapon to which it is attached forever an NFA-regulated item?

There is no way in hell this would hold up in court. We've tiptoed around these guys for far too long, and we're our own worst enemy. We love chiding the ignorant who ask about attaching a vertical foregrip to the light rail on a pistol or those who don't weld their flash hider to a 14.5" barrel to our satisfaction. We use the extremely rare examples of people who were imprisoned for violations of ATF regs to justify our fear of "a trip to Club Fed"--and I count myself among that number, because I've demonstrated my "cleverness" on more than one occasion.

No more. Fuck 'em.
OH NO!! I did this yesterday and its not a registered AOW. I was shooting it today like that on the KPDL range at KCR. Still not in jail.
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Post by jackalo626 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:03 pm

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Post by WLJ » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:25 pm

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Post by guncrank1 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:30 pm

Jff24Gordn wrote:
Frailer wrote:The more I think about this, the more squirrelly it becomes.

*If* I shoulder a pistol with a Sig brace, I've made a SBR. But what happens when I take it from my shoulder?

Does it become a pistol again, or is the weapon to which it is attached forever an NFA-regulated item?

There is no way in hell this would hold up in court. We've tiptoed around these guys for far too long, and we're our own worst enemy. We love chiding the ignorant who ask about attaching a vertical foregrip to the light rail on a pistol or those who don't weld their flash hider to a 14.5" barrel to our satisfaction. We use the extremely rare examples of people who were imprisoned for violations of ATF regs to justify our fear of "a trip to Club Fed"--and I count myself among that number, because I've demonstrated my "cleverness" on more than one occasion.

No more. Fuck 'em.
OH NO!! I did this yesterday and its not a registered AOW. I was shooting it today like that on the KPDL range at KCR. Still not in jail.
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And you posted on the website , so why would you do so?

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Post by Frailer » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:15 pm

Presumably because--despite rumors and the ATF's opinion to the contrary--placing a vertical foregrip on a pistol isn't illegal and doesn't transform it into an AOW.

I am aware of only two instances where the ATF tried to prosecute for this "offense," and they failed to make it stick both times--because in both cases the federal judge determined that a pistol with a vertical foregrip is still a pistol.

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Post by guncrank1 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:16 pm

Frailer wrote:Presumably because--despite rumors and the ATF's opinion to the contrary--placing a vertical foregrip on a pistol isn't illegal and doesn't transform it into an AOW.

I am aware of only two instances where the ATF tried to prosecute for this "offense," and they failed to make it stick both times--because in both cases the federal judge determined that a pistol with a vertical foregrip is still a pistol.

Well may so but it is a AOW by BATF standards, and a judge decides case on a individual baise.
I think it is time I withdraw from this discussion as it no longer holds anymore meaning to me.

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Post by Jff24Gordn » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:31 pm

Its a registered SBR w/o the stock.

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Post by Toddstang » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:38 pm

Jff24Gordn wrote:Its a registered SBR w/o the stock.
And all is well.

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