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Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:35 pm
by ssracer
Sounds like a pretty solid rifle for under $900. I like the BCM furniture.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... the-saint/

Springfield Armory’s Saint has arrived, and for the first time an AR-15-style carbine is wearing the company’s iconic crossed-cannons and flaming bomb. For some, the Saint may be long overdue, after all, an AR platform would have been a welcome addition to Springfield’s catalog of M1A rifles, M1911-style pistols and the extensive XD line of polymer-framed handguns. But I say better late than never, and after some extensive testing with the Saint, I’d add that Springfield Armory’s first AR was worth the wait. (See more in the "NRA First" video above.)

At first blush, the Saint is a handsome carbine but, being an AR, it’s not particularly distinct. That said, some of the small decisions made by the designers do set the rifle apart and add value for potential consumers. The Saint has a 16” barrel rifled with a 1:8” twist and it has a Melonite protective finish, an effective alternative to chrome-lining the bore, and a savvy decision given the company’s experience with Melonite. The mid-length gas system uses the familiar A2-style front sight/gas block, including the bayonet lug. The handguard is a two-piece arrangement that, like the pistol grip and adjustable stock, is a product of Bravo Company USA, and makes use of the AR’s traditional delta ring for attachment. Interestingly, the trim, textured fore-end utilizes KeyMod attachment ports for the addition of accessories and rails. This is the first time I’ve seen KeyMod used on a polymer handguard, and it appears that Bravo Company reinforced the key-hole-shaped ports to prevent wear or wobble. I affixed a Surefire flashlight to my evaluation rifle and experienced no issues during a testing—so far the total round count is around 2,000 and the rail is still snug and secure.

More wise decisions were made for the Saint’s internal components. One such was the choice to nickel-boron coat the trigger components. The trigger is still a single-stage, G.I.-style system, but the coating definitely cleans up some of the grit commonly associated with stock AR triggers. As well, a nylon-tipped tensioning screw has been added just above the pistol grip. The screw is touted to reduce the movement between the upper and lower receivers, and therefore increase accuracy. Time will tell if the system is effective enough to earn widespread acceptance, but it’s nice to see innovation and creative thinking in this well-established category. A final feature worth mentioning is the heavy tungsten carbine buffer. The Saint is a fairly light production AR at 6 lbs., 11 ozs., so the heavier buffer was a smart addition intended to mitigate recoil. The result is a lightweight rifle that is also light on recoil, a combination that makes the Saint easy to carry and fun to shoot.

Overall, the Springfield Armory’s first foray into the AR market has yielded a platform that is light, trim, and well-equipped. There’s not a lot of differentiation to be had in today’s crowded AR market, but I think Springfield did a great job with the small details. In fact, when I first saw the gun I commented that if I were to build a $1,000 AR, it would look very similar to the Saint. Thankfully, with an MSRP of just under $900, I can save myself some effort, and some cash.

Specifications:
Chambering: 5.56x45 mm NATO (.223 Rem.)
Action Type: mid-length direct gas impingement, semi-automatic, center-fire rifle
Overall Length: 32.25” to 35.5”
Weight: 6 lbs., 11 oz.
Recievers: 7075 T6 Aluminum
Barrel: 16” Chrome Moly Vanadium, 1:8” RH twist rifling, Melonite finish
Trigger: single-stage, Nickel-Boron coated, 6-lb., 1-oz. pull
Sights: A2-style front post; low-profile, dual aperture flip-up rear
Stock: Bravo Company USA adjustable buttstock, pistol grip and handguard with KeyMod attachment points
Magazine: 30-round Magpul PMAG Gen M3 detachable box
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Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:39 pm
by ssracer
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Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:32 pm
by Toddstang
Made in the US?

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:39 pm
by ssracer
Toddstang wrote:Made in the US?
IDK...limited info about it so far. Also like to see more specs on the BCG

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:23 pm
by ssracer
It is plastic, but it's made by BCM...so I doubt it's cheap shit

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:29 pm
by Whootsinator
The handguard is polymer, I believe with metal inlays. Check out the dots between the KMR slots.

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:20 am
by ssracer
It is supposed to be reinforced for the KMR slots at least. And yes polymer

Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:23 am
by ssracer
To me the fact that they got with BCM for the furniture at least tells me they are somewhat serious about their first AR being a solid rifle. They could have just gone with Milspec furniture and offered a magpul upgrade like a lot of others do.

Yes it's "just another AR" but to me it's good to see a company like Springfield come out with a pretty serious attempt at a solid rifle for under $800 retail on their first try.

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:05 pm
by Statcher1
If I didn't already have 2 AR's I would be considering this. What the hell who am I kidding. I'll probably buy it this spring.


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Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:12 pm
by Toddstang
2 AR's?
That is not even getting started.

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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:23 pm
by ssracer
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Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:08 pm
by Statcher1
If it came in .308 or .300BLK from the factory. I would jumping all over this.


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Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:16 pm
by ssracer
I doubt they will make a .308 since they have the M1A line

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:55 am
by Niceguy
Fudge wrote:
ssracer wrote:I doubt they will make a .308 since they have the M1A line
M1a> ar10.


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This!!!^^^^ M1A to SCAR17? Tuff call on that one...

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:18 am
by Niceguy
Crazy talk there...haha

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:13 am
by ssracer
Fight fight fight :llama:

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:59 am
by Wyldman
I'd pit either of my REAL ArmaLite AR-10s against an M1A any day, and win!

Coach has fingered my AR-10s on more than one occassion, and I had to clean his drool off of it afterwards.

Crush, kill, mangle, maim, destroy.

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:52 pm
by RecoilSensitive
$829.99 at rivercity firearms.

Saw on Facebook.

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:55 pm
by ssracer
I've heard $750 tossed around in some FB groups...not sure where in the country though

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:35 pm
by mtchbrian
I paid 829 for mine at Academy. I was very impressed. could it use a free float handguard, YES. But none of my other rifles have one either. The BCM handguard fits awesome in the hand. I hope these come to market in carbine length. I'd replace the one on my pistol in a heartbeat with it.

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:27 pm
by samb.
mtchbrian wrote:I paid 829 for mine at Academy. I was very impressed. could it use a free float handguard, YES. But none of my other rifles have one either. The BCM handguard fits awesome in the hand. I hope these come to market in carbine length. I'd replace the one on my pistol in a heartbeat with it.
Shouldn't you be building a 300blk or something? :llama:

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:38 pm
by ssracer
mtchbrian wrote:I paid 829 for mine at Academy. I was very impressed. could it use a free float handguard, YES. But none of my other rifles have one either. The BCM handguard fits awesome in the hand. I hope these come to market in carbine length. I'd replace the one on my pistol in a heartbeat with it.
awesome

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:46 pm
by mtchbrian
samb. wrote:
mtchbrian wrote:I paid 829 for mine at Academy. I was very impressed. could it use a free float handguard, YES. But none of my other rifles have one either. The BCM handguard fits awesome in the hand. I hope these come to market in carbine length. I'd replace the one on my pistol in a heartbeat with it.
Shouldn't you be building a 300blk or something? :llama:
Its being built, just waiting on the 7inch Samson rail to come in....And since the wife has commandeered my BCM upper as her own, I had to get me another carbine.

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:21 pm
by Dave1965
handled one at the LGS for the first time yesterday.

Seems like just another AR with better trigger.

Re: Springfield Armory Saint

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:41 pm
by mtchbrian
The SAINT