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Post by ChopperDoc » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:31 am

a movie theater in Colorado during the Dark Knight Rises movie.



Developing: Multiple people killed and several injured after a mass shooting at a showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" at a suburban Denver movie theater, KDVR tells Fox News.

There were two masked shooters, KDVR reported. One is in custody while authorities are still searching for the other.

Police spokeswoman Cassidee Carlson says "the scene is still very active and we have little information for release at this time."

Witness Hayden Miller told KUSA-TV that he was inside Theater 16 and heard several shots.

"Like little explosions going on and shortly after that we heard people screaming," he told the station.

Hayden said at first he thought it was part of a louder movie next door. But then he saw "people hunched over leaving theater."

Swedish Medical Center spokeswoman Nicole Williams says two people injured at the theater have arrived at the hospital in critical condition.

She says emergency workers have said there could be several more patients.

Local hospitals were reportedly alerted to a "mass casualty incident."

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Post by ChopperDoc » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:35 am

So, it's dark in the theater, you are carrying, there is mass chaos once someone else open fire. What do you do?

Lets say you draw and start looking for the shooter, what if you are not the only CCDW holder carrying and one of them shoots you thinking you are the shooter? What if an off duty cop has also drawn his weapon and you mistake him for the shooter?

Craziness for sure.
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Post by ChopperDoc » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:45 am

14 dead, at least 50 injured in shooting at Colorado movie theater, police say

and they are checking for explosives.

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Post by drifter0069 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:52 am

Wtf? Wow....

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Post by Jff24Gordn » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:05 am

And to add to the craziness in the theater, how many people showed up in costume? Did the people dressed as Batman run or go after the shooter? Was the shooter dressed in costume to blend in to the atmosphere?

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Post by ChopperDoc » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:59 am

Guy dropped a canister of some kind, tear gas maybe? was wearing a gas mask.

dang.
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Post by Dave1965 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:03 am

I have always said that there are tons of places that terrorists could strike and easily take out lots of people than some monitored event with lots of security. A crowded movie theater on a premier night was one of those. Also, something like a mall at Christmas or something like a college sporting event. We cannot protect and secure everything in life but the concealed carry law is one of the few ways we can provide armed people to assist if possible.

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Post by ChopperDoc » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:17 am

The suspect, believed to be the lone gunman, is in police custody. KUSA reports that the suspect kicked down an emergency door at the theater, threw in some type of a smoke bomb and when moviegoers started to run, he began shooting.

The suspect’s identity was not released, but was wearing a bullet-proof vest and 24 years old, police said. The gunman was carrying a rifle, handgun and another unidentified gun, police said.


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Post by BIGC » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:01 am

ChopperDoc wrote:So, it's dark in the theater, you are carrying, there is mass chaos once someone else open fire. What do you do?

Lets say you draw and start looking for the shooter, what if you are not the only CCDW holder carrying and one of them shoots you thinking you are the shooter? What if an off duty cop has also drawn his weapon and you mistake him for the shooter?

Craziness for sure.
In a situation like that I wouldnt even chance drawing to "look" for the shooter. My first response would be to shield the wife/family/friends and get them out safe.... Way too many ifs in a dark situation where you wouldnt be able to tell the active shooter that easily.
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Post by Toddinlou » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:30 am

Numbers are being revised down. 12 dead 50 injured. Horrible tragedy for sure.
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Re: Several reportedly dead, up to 20 injured after shooting

Post by Toddstang » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:38 am

Cue the Brady bunch

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Post by WLJ » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:01 am

Horrible and sick.

Cue the Brady Bunch (somebody already said that)
Hang on for the copycats.
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Post by WLJ » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:05 am

http://www.wave3.com/story/19071381/gun ... ed-theater
The FBI has told CNN the shooting is not connected to any terrorist group
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Kind of quick with that statement aren't they?
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Post by justang1997 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:11 am

The ccdw cop looking badges and reflective "sash" type ID's are a good way to lower risk of blue on blue.
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Post by kokopelli » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:12 am

http://gma.yahoo.com/mass-shooting-colo ... ories.html


So why was someone there -for a 3 hour movie that started at Midnight- with a SIX year old child!?

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Post by kokopelli » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:19 am

ChopperDoc wrote:So, it's dark in the theater, you are carrying, there is mass chaos once someone else open fire. What do you do?

Lets say you draw and start looking for the shooter, what if you are not the only CCDW holder carrying and one of them shoots you thinking you are the shooter? What if an off duty cop has also drawn his weapon and you mistake him for the shooter?

Craziness for sure.

when the shooter is readily identified as in this case- I'd be running at him firing.

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Post by scorpionmain » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:23 am

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Post by scorpionmain » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:24 am

Here come the mag ban.
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Post by scorpionmain » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:26 am

Obama holding conference at 11:20am to address the shooting
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Post by ssracer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:27 am

kokopelli wrote:http://gma.yahoo.com/mass-shooting-colo ... ories.html


So why was someone there -for a 3 hour movie that started at Midnight- with a SIX year old child!?
I thought that as well

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Post by Dave1965 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:27 am

scorpionmain wrote:Obama holding conference at 11:20am to address the shooting
Oh shit

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Post by kokopelli » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:29 am

BIGC wrote:
ChopperDoc wrote:So, it's dark in the theater, you are carrying, there is mass chaos once someone else open fire. What do you do?

Lets say you draw and start looking for the shooter, what if you are not the only CCDW holder carrying and one of them shoots you thinking you are the shooter? What if an off duty cop has also drawn his weapon and you mistake him for the shooter?

Craziness for sure.
In a situation like that I wouldnt even chance drawing to "look" for the shooter. My first response would be to shield the wife/family/friends and get them out safe.... Way too many ifs in a dark situation where you wouldnt be able to tell the active shooter that easily.

this is where the shooter takes out you and your family as you run away. Engaging a threat of this nature is the best option for everybody. You will likely get shot but you are going to stop him which is the most important thing.
You have got to have the mentality that you will NOT be a victim. Yes, you may die stopping the threat but you are going to save the lives of your family and countless others.

This is when training and experience kicks in. I've been shot at more than once- it serves to piss me off to where I am going to make the shooter pay for his actions.
-If you think that simply having a ccw permit and carrying a gun means your 'safe' you are kidding yourself. You need to train with that weapon- and not just throwing lead downrange at TG&G or NH....you at the very least need to buy some offensive/defensive tactics DVD's -there are several out there that are great. Learn the tactics, develop the mindset that YOU are the Alpha Predator and NOBODY is going to hurt you or your family or anyone around you. Be aware of your surroundings and who is around you.
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Post by ssracer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:31 am

scorpionmain wrote:Obama holding conference at 11:20am to address the shooting
mass shooting and presidential press conference just as the UN gun treaty is shaping up.....something does not smell right

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Post by ssracer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:31 am

I've seen several reports saying he was caught wearing a bullet proof vest...I wonder if that is true or if it was just a tac vest

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Post by scorpionmain » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:35 am

I fear Magazine capacity limitations, ammunition regulations, body armor regulations, tear gas regulations, and possibly a second assault weapons ban might be in the works
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