Nato allie shoots down Russian close air support jet.

Post by **Robert Paulson** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:37 am

This could get interesting/bad fast as crap.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/24 ... tcmp=hpbt1

http://www.youtube.com/user/ssracer02 · Post by **ssracer** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:49 am

Yeah...this has serious potential to get ugly in a hurry

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:52 am

Long history of bad blood between those two.

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:53 am

For once the news media IDed the plane right, it is a Su-24. But the idiots still for the most part insist on calling it a fighter.

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:04 am

Putin: Fuming
Turkey: Bring it!
Obama: Under his desk

Post by **Niceguy** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:14 am

I doubt it's his desk he's under though.

Post by **Gunsmokin** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:26 am

WLJ wrote:For once the news media IDed the plane right, it is a Su-24. But the idiots still for the most part insist on calling it a fighter.

Basically equivalent to an F-111. Fighter/Bomber- air to ground primarily. Not very agile. The Turks, I think, have over-stepped here. The Russians were pushing the envelope to get a reaction. The F-16's that took their plane down could have just as easily escorted them out of their air space. I don't trust the Turks(edit) as much, anymore. Back in the 80's/90's their government was basically a secular democracy. A trusted ally. The current President, Erdogan, is an Islamist with motives to move toward a more theocratic governing style. Plus, they hate the Kurds, who could hate the Kurds?!?

Post by **Gunsmokin** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:28 am

Anyone see Obama get dissed by everyone coming out of one of the meetings? He goes down a line of officials, attempting to shake hands, and every one of them passed to the dude walking to Obama's right. I'll try to find the video.

Post by **Gunsmokin** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:30 am

Never mind, that was from like 5 years ago. Duhhhhh.

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:47 am

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-34908469

US confirms Turks warned Russia before shooting down jet
Posted at 15:39
A spokesman for the US-led coalition against Islamic State, Col Steve Warren says it can confirm that the Turks warned the Russian plane 10 times before shooting down the jet.

He said they were working to establish exactly where the plane was when it was shot down.

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:49 am

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-34908469

Syrian Turkmen brigade deputy commander Alpaslan Celik tells Reuters:

Both of the pilots were retrieved dead. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air."

http://www.youtube.com/user/ssracer02 · Post by **ssracer** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:54 am

Just saw something on the blaze about a Russian rescue helicopter being shot down possibly by Syrian Rebels with US supplied TOW missiles...only seen the one story so don't know how true it is

http://www.youtube.com/user/ssracer02 · Post by **ssracer** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:55 am

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11 ... w-missile/

Post by **jackalo626** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:05 pm

Crazy stuff.

Post by **Rem700** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:11 pm

so WWIII is about to commence? or already has....

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:39 pm

Anyone else hear Fred Thomson's voice in your head after hearing the news about the shootdown?

Post by **Toddstang** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:04 pm

At least glad to see that our technology from 20 years ago can still take down Russian jets today.

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:39 pm

Toddstang wrote:At least glad to see that our technology from 20 years ago can still take down Russian jets today.

Su-24s first flew in 1970 and entered service in 1974 with production shutting down in 1993. Don't know what kind of updates,if any, this particular one had had though.

Post by **Toddstang** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:10 pm

WLJ wrote:
Toddstang wrote:At least glad to see that our technology from 20 years ago can still take down Russian jets today.
Su-24s first flew in 1970 and entered service in 1974 with production shutting down in 1993. Don't know what kind of updates,if any, this particular one had had though.

I thought they were all updated internally and used smart flares to deter heat seeking missiles?
Seen something about that on British Broadcasting earlier.

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:24 pm

Toddstang wrote:
WLJ wrote:
Toddstang wrote:At least glad to see that our technology from 20 years ago can still take down Russian jets today.
Su-24s first flew in 1970 and entered service in 1974 with production shutting down in 1993. Don't know what kind of updates,if any, this particular one had had though.
I thought they were all updated internally and used smart flares to deter heat seeking missiles?
Seen something about that on British Broadcasting earlier.

Didn't say they weren't, was just showing the Su-24 is no spring chicken. I have no doubt it was fully equipped to defense itself and should have been updated at least once I would think over the years, by what standard this particular one was I have no clue. It's a tit for tat game but still too much we don't about the engagement to say anything at this point. Was it shot down with AIMs (Air intercept Missiles) or guns? How alert was the Su-24 crew that they were about to be shot down? How much time did they have to react? And so on.
The Su-34 is slowly replacing the Su-24 but it's an expensive, by Russia standards at least, MF, but capable as heck. And a mean looking SOB to boot.

Post by **Dave1965** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:30 pm

Eh, if it flies it dies

Brother of Liberty · Post by **Brother of Liberty** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:03 pm

We should have NEVER allowed countries like Turkey or any of the former Soviet states to join NATO.

Post by **WLJ** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:10 pm

Brother of Liberty wrote:We should have NEVER allowed countries like Turkey or any of the former Soviet states to join NATO.

Turkey has been a member of NATO since 1952

Post by **Frailer** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:15 pm

Brother of Liberty wrote:We should have NEVER allowed countries like Turkey or any of the former Soviet states to join NATO.

I'd be curious to learn why you believe this.

I have my own reasons for believing expanding into the former Soviet Union was ill-advised, but why the opposition to Turkey (and, by extension, Greece)?

Post by **Toddstang** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:22 pm

WLJ wrote:
Toddstang wrote:
WLJ wrote:
Toddstang wrote:At least glad to see that our technology from 20 years ago can still take down Russian jets today.
Su-24s first flew in 1970 and entered service in 1974 with production shutting down in 1993. Don't know what kind of updates,if any, this particular one had had though.
I thought they were all updated internally and used smart flares to deter heat seeking missiles?
Seen something about that on British Broadcasting earlier.
Didn't say they weren't, was just showing the Su-24 is no spring chicken. I have no doubt it was fully equipped to defense itself and should have been updated at least once I would think over the years, by what standard this particular one was I have no clue. It's a tit for tat game but still too much we don't about the engagement to say anything at this point. Was it shot down with AIMs (Air intercept Missiles) or guns? How alert was the Su-24 crew that they were about to be shot down? How much time did they have to react? And so on.
The Su-34 is slowly replacing the Su-24 but it's an expensive, by Russia standards at least, MF, but capable as heck. And a mean looking SOB to boot.

I know what you were saying, you are spot on about them being ancient. I just expected more offensive/defensive power from the rebuilt Soviet kingdom.

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