BATFE pulling a blue falcon (again)

[ChopperDoc]

In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as “armor piercing ammunition.” The decision continues Obama’s use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress.

It isn’t even the third week of February, and the BATFE has already taken three major executive actions on gun control. First, it was a major change to what activities constitute regulated “manufacturing” of firearms. Next, BATFE reversed a less than year old position on firing a shouldered “pistol.” Now, BATFE has released a “Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are ‘Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes’ Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)”, which would eliminate M855’s exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible.

By way of background, federal law imposed in 1986 prohibits the manufacture, importation, and sale by licensed manufacturers or importers, but not possession, of “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely . . . from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.” Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it “may be used in a handgun.” It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered “armor piercing.” Nonetheless, BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”

Now, however, BATFE says that it will henceforth grant the “sporting purposes” exception to only two categories of projectiles:

Category I: .22 Caliber Projectiles

A .22 caliber projectile that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) will be considered to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile weighs 40 grains or less AND is loaded into a rimfire cartridge.

Category II: All Other Caliber Projectiles

Except as provided in Category I (.22 caliber rimfire), projectiles that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition will be presumed to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun. ATF nevertheless retains the discretion to deny any application for a “sporting purposes” exemption if substantial evidence exists that the ammunition is not primarily intended for such purposes.

BATFE is accepting comments until March 16, 2015 on this indefensible attempt to disrupt ammunition for the most popular rifle in America. Check back early next week for a more in-depth analysis of this “framework” and details on how you can submit comments.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015021 ... ar-15-ammo

[ssracer]

Lovely

[guncrank1]

Thanks CD for notice

[WLJ]

Let the panic begin.
Has it hit $3.00 per round on Cheaper than dirt yet?

Time until Obama leaves office
705 DAYS 15 HOURS 21 MIN

[jackalo626]

Only if we let it. We will definitely let it happen.

[Niceguy]

Don't these worthless fuckers have anything better to do than worrying about small technicalities in shit like this and shouldering a pistol?! Like saving our rapidly declining country... I'm tired of sending letters and emails to politicians with deaf ears! (Not than I'm going to stop)

[WLJ]

Panic has started,, many online retailers are showing out of stock

[jmeister]

nm

[Toddstang]

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[WLJ]

Don't these worthless fuckers have anything better to do than worrying about small technicalities in shit like this and shouldering a pistol?! Like saving our rapidly declining country... I'm tired of sending letters and emails to politicians with deaf ears! (Not than I'm going to stop)

Actually AR pistols may have been the trigger for this.

[Toddstang]

Don't these worthless fuckers have anything better to do than worrying about small technicalities in shit like this and shouldering a pistol?! Like saving our rapidly declining country... I'm tired of sending letters and emails to politicians with deaf ears! (Not than I'm going to stop)

Actually AR pistols may have been the trigger for this.

No.
Think about this: obama admitted his defeat on gun control for his 2 term presidency. This is a win for him and he will not stop here either. Lots of handgun ammo out there that will fall under this category as well. Just wait till they get to the hunting ammo. Thompson has been making pistols in rifle calibers for years.
Hussein obama took a page out of Chris Rocks Stand up:
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[WLJ]

Don't these worthless fuckers have anything better to do than worrying about small technicalities in shit like this and shouldering a pistol?! Like saving our rapidly declining country... I'm tired of sending letters and emails to politicians with deaf ears! (Not than I'm going to stop)

Actually AR pistols may have been the trigger for this.

No.
Think about this: obama admitted his defeat on gun control for his 2 term presidency. This is a win for him and he will not stop here either. Lots of handgun ammo out there that will fall under this category as well. Just wait till they get to the hunting ammo. Thompson has been making pistols in rifle calibers for years.
Hussein obama took a page out of Chris Rocks Stand up:

They've considered 855 "armor piercing" for a while but they never said anything. With "evil" AR pistols popping up everywhere it finally got someone's attention. In their mind armor piercing + pistol = Big No No.
Same reason they've tried to ban 5.7 two or three times now despite the fact "armor piercing" 5.7 is sold to police/mil only.

[ChopperDoc]

Yeah contact your reps. I get the distinct feeling that the BATFE has already had their mind made up for them.

No letters to their 'discussion' are going to make a difference.

this tapatalk stuff is cool

[Toddstang]

This "Executive Order" BS will continue on. Mark my words, this will not stop here. Before this shit stains term is over there will be another try at High Caps and Assault Weapons with no grand father clause.
Wait and see.

And just for the record, this is not an armor piercing round. The amount of lead and the thin jacket is no where near AP as some other types of ammo.
They are going after what we shoot the most and the cheapest.

[son of liberty]

The road to revolution is rocky

[WLJ]

And just for the record, this is not an armor piercing round. The amount of lead and the thin jacket is no where near AP as some other types of ammo.

Why I put armor piercing in quotes.

[Toddstang]

Got ya

[WLJ]

Got to remember where they would like to go with this.
Ted Kennedy (remember him?) used 30-30 as an example of an "armor piercing" round because it would penetrate police vests. I think he knew full well virtually all rifle rounds would penetrate police vests and thus in his mind made them "armor piercing" which meant they should be banned. This would have would in effect banned most rifles.

[scorpionmain]

WTF?

If M855 is classified as "Armor Piercing" wouldn't the US be in violation of several international conventions for using it as our standard issue ammo against people according to the Laws of Land Warfare?

[Toddstang]

WTF?

If M855 is classified as "Armor Piercing" wouldn't the US be in violation of several international conventions for using it as our standard issue ammo against people according to the Laws of Land Warfare?

Stop making sense!
Liberals hate facts.

[WLJ]

WTF?

If M855 is classified as "Armor Piercing" wouldn't the US be in violation of several international conventions for using it as our standard issue ammo against people according to the Laws of Land Warfare?

You're thinking of the Hague Convention and technically yes we would be, except we never signed it, though we have always "claimed" to follow it anyway. This didn't stop the Soviets from claiming 5.56 was a violation of the HC back in the 60s due to way it fragmented. The Germans tried something similar with the British 303 due to the way it tumbled in the body.

BTW: I agree with the spirit of what you're saying.

[scorpionmain]

It would be nice to see Obummer brought up on war crimes.

[WLJ]

It would be nice to see Obummer brought up on war crimes.

WUT? He won a Nobel Peace Prize remember. He's the bringer of peace, enlightenment, racial harmony, joy unknown in the history of mankind, and the ender of poverty and injustice. You need to watch MSNBC more often. Off to the reeducation camp for you!

I just threw up typing that.

[PDM]

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

[Frailer]

You're blaming the wrong guy--and the problem won't be fixed in two years, regardless of who is elected in 2016.

This isn't an Obama thing--it's a Congress thing. They abdicated their duties long ago.

The idea that an arm of the executive branch can craft an arbitrary "rule" that can send someone to prison is repugnant to me. Last time I checked, only Congress is empowered to make laws.