Keep poking the big dog and you will get bite-ATF 20-10

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Post by jmeister » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:32 am

Ghost guns services done without mfg license?

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Post by guncrank1 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:06 am

jmeister wrote:Ghost guns services done without mfg license?
Firearms manufactor has alway been a regulated activity.


Some gunsmiths have machinist services and have machined paper weights to firearms.

2010-10 allowed these 01 to do work for 07s , as a manufactor process.

Now when the paperweights became popular , I guess that enough interest for unmarked firearms but not enough skill in those who bought them. Money can buy skill,but now that is done.

So the FFL and unlicensed machine shop where supplying this skill and the ATF got enough questions from dumb shits to give it notice and the ATF has made it a regulated activity.
So if you took a 80 lower to Bubba Gunsmithy , Bubba must record in a manufactor log and then for you to get it , a 4473 must be done. And Bubba must log the firearm into his A/D bound book.


I have never machined a 80 lower for a non licensed individual because it has always been in a grey area. That has changed.

If you have the tools , you can still DIY.
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Post by guncrank1 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:08 am

If you take a reciever ( firearm) and parts to a gunsmith that where already yours , then that is gunsmithing and regulated under a 01.

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Post by kokopelli » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:43 am

This is a result of Ares selling the 'unfinished forgings' (mistakenly known as 80% lowers) to a customer, then the customer would step over to the milling machine where an employee set it up, and instructed customer on what button to push to start milling it out.
Nothing has changed from the original law.
- DIY firearms are still good to go.

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Post by guncrank1 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:00 am

kokopelli wrote:This is a result of Ares selling the 'unfinished forgings' (mistakenly known as 80% lowers) to a customer, then the customer would step over to the milling machine where an employee set it up, and instructed customer on what button to push to start milling it out.
Nothing has changed from the original law.
- DIY firearms are still good to go.

I already said that

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Post by guncrank1 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:02 am

And AK build parties are now a regulated activity as well.

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